Dave Rubin: The Tucker & Candace Bubble Is About To Burst | The Erin Molan Show

Wednesday, December 10, 2025

Dave Rubin joins The Erin Molan Show (Episode 62) for a raw, inside look at the fracture inside alternative media — and why he thinks the Tucker Carlson & Candace Owens bubble is about to burst. As one of the OGs of independent podcasting, Dave talks with Erin about the rise and corruption of legacy media, the opportunities and traps of the alt-media boom, and how easy it has become for podcasters to chase cheap, viral outrage instead of truth. Together they dig into: • How Dave went from mainstream TV to one of the first big independent long-form interviewers • Why the failures of legacy media on Russia, COVID, Jussie Smollett and more helped force audiences into the alternative space New Hampshire Public Radio • How anyone can now look like a “journalist” with a desk, a mic and a blazer – with zero standards • Why Dave believes Tucker Carlson was actually better when he had constraints – and how he’s now flipped on previous positions and friendships • Why watching Candace Owens go down conspiracy rabbit holes is personally painful for him after years of close friendship • The idea of “kayfabe” – pro-wrestling style scripted conflict – and how politics & media now feel exactly like that • Why Dave thinks truth-tellers who resist audience-capture (like Erin and a tiny handful of others) will win the long game while grifters burn out • His prediction that Bari Weiss as editor-in-chief of CBS News could prove that a more sane, reality-based legacy media model is profitable – and might actually pop parts of the alt-media bubble At the end of the episode, Erin also shares a look inside a recent PragerU LA Gala she was part of with Brandon Tatum, moderated by Marissa Streit – and what that night revealed about where conservative media is heading next.

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Chapters

0:00 Dave Rubin cold open – “The alt-media bubble will burst”

1:15 Erin intro – why this conversation matters now

3:00 Dave on being an OG of independent media

7:00 How legacy media created the demand for alt media

11:30 Anyone can look like a journalist now

15:30 Tucker Carlson: “better with barriers” vs now

17:00 Candace Owens: from friend to painful divergence

19:30 Kayfabe: politics as pro wrestling

20:00 Truth vs outrage: what actually lasts in this business

21:00 Alt media’s coming crash – what happens next

22:00 Bari Weiss, CBS News & a new legacy media playbook

22:50 Erin’s PragerU LA Gala story (with Brandon Tatum & Marissa Streit)

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